I can't find much data on using Ramshot powders in the 4570 Ramshot lists some loads for Xterminator, but as is their ususal custom, they stick with one powder per caliber I have LOTS of TAC on hand and have had great luck with it in some other calibers in lieu of powders which are frequently loaded in the 4570I use Trail Boss in my Trapdoor according to the above referenced data, with the 405 grain bullet I also found the exact load I used via the formula published in one of their manuals being listed as Trapdoor safe It makes for a very managable recoil in both an 1873 Trapdoor carbine, and a Winchester 86The 4570 is especially well suited to animals of this size, and does well when loaded with 350 to 400 grain hand loads in modern arms On large bodied game such as moose the 4570 does its best work when loaded with 400 grain bullets Unfortunately the 4570 can not produce a hydrostatic shock on game animals of this size
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45-70 ammo 405 grain hard cast load data-I use Unique to load 4570 rounds for my Springfield Trapdoor I use 13 grains behind a 405 grn lead cast slug The recoil is extremely light, almost non existant and I have never had any difficulty with any hangfires due to displacement of a small omount of powder in such a large caseThu 611 pm Had a bunch of Missouri Bullet 405 grain cast left over from my 4570 days A friend and I resized them to 452' doing it in stages so the wouldn't come out distorted
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I just cast some 340 grain bullets for 4570 to use in a lever action, where can i get loading data for that grain bullet?I have not found the need to look for anything better than Elmer's load, hence I cannot help with the 350 grain loads But I think a 00 fps load with 350 grain bullets in the 22 45/70 sounds about right Elmer's 45/70 load with 400 grain bullet will beat any 450 Marlin Guide Gun with factory 350 grain ammo1944 fps All loads crimped with a Lee Factory Crimp Die Loads are maximum, reduce by
In 45/70, it weighed about 9 1/2 pounds and recoil wasn't terrible My old #1in 45/70 (probably 8 1/2 pounds with a very good pad) wasn't bad when shot from a more upright bench position Not as bad as MAX loads in my old Marlin 15 Hornady shows H322 and 300grain bullets starting at 407 grains (1500 fps) with 548 grains (1900 fps) as MAX405gr RNFP 45/70 load Just picked up a nice used Marlin 15GBL and ordered up some of these commercial cast bullets Locking for some suggested starting loads Will be using Starline brass , 0633 PM #2My father's load using 40 gr of IMR 4198 shot at 1702 fps The best range load for this powder, bullet and rifle seems to be around the 45 gr of IMR 3031 mark Even though I now had loads for 4570 using these 405 gr cast bullets, I wondered what Hornady 325 gr Leverevolution ammunition would chronograph It was travelling at 15 fps
Loads for 45/70 (Note These are near MAXIMUM loads, you should use 10% less to start) Powders) Bullet sizes vary from 458″ for jacketed to 459″ for some lead in diameter and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work upSome loaddata lists the 400 grain bullet as the max for a 4570 15, but others say 500 is fine?Irish Pat, sass
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Questions Loading the 4570 , 1317 I have a Marlin 15 GG in 4570 and I want to start rolling my own ammo for it I plan to use the rifle as a close range moose and bear gun I have a box of Oregon Trail laser cast 405 gr FP BT and new RP brass4570 Gov't (Strong Actions Only) Load Data 300 Grain;4570 Government (Trapdoor Rifles) (Hodgdon Data) reloading data with 94 loads Using bullets from Cast LFP, Sierra HP Powders include Hodgdon, IMR
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4570 Government 405 grain RNFP This is our favorite 45/70 load for casual plinking These bullets are custom made with a softer alloy that is ideal for the lower pressure and velocity of a proper Trapdoor load If you are a purist and can't wrap your head around shooting jacketed Trapdoor loadsthis one's for you 1,280 FPS (24″)Welcome to the Channel I am disposable762 and this is the place for gun and knife reviews, table top and field reviews for different gear and pieces of kit,Can anyone confirm a heavy load for this cartridge and rifle that I can pass along?
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Reloader 7 in the 4570 is a GREAT powder to use I use it, loading for both the Marlin 15G and 15CB With a 405 grain Cast Performance LWNGC boolit, the RL7 yields very good velocity and FANTASTIC accuracy out of my rifles, with lower pressures than say, IMR3031 and/or H45 I'm using 400 grains of RL7Either way, I'm avoiding light loads from here on out Here are the loads that actually work for me, in my 4570 BFR with a 75 barrel at 30F and 5800' elevation (Low pressure plinking load) Starline brass Federal gold medal match magnum GM215M primers Oregon Trail 405 grain 458 hard cast bullets 45 grains of Varget (started at 40, worked up#1 I just picked up a 99% Ruger #1 in 4570 and need some input on load data I was hoping to use 405 gr cast bullets with a gas check but am open to other successful loads I have a multitude of loading manuals, many are not current and there are so many new bullets for this calibre it makes choosing one a challenge
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4570 500 grain JSP bullet 50 grains IMR3031 max 1655 fps Ken Waters 4570 500 grain JRN bullet seated to 293 OAL Powder Start Velocity Max Velocity MaxCUP IMR4198 350 1440 430 1657 38,400 IMR3031 440 1444 531 1742 32,700 H45 500 1646 570 1879 39,000 Reloder7 370 1487 455 1738 39,100 Lyman #46In reguards to your 4570 loading the Rl7, I use it and win mag primers as my favorite load with 60grs of Rl7 and Sierra 300gr HP`s I use this load in my Marlin 15CB,,my T/C encore and my H&R/NEF 4570,,,in the Marlin it is especialey accurate,,on the crono out of the Marlin with it`s 26 barrel i get fpsOr perhaps point me to other resources that I can research a little further
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LOADS DATA 405 gr Cast/sized 452 by GaCop »That load consisted of a 405grain hollowbased bullet over a full 70grain charge of 2Fg Goex black powder That's my heaviest loaded black powder 4570, so I thought it would provide the best black powder baseline to compare to the hotter Triple 7 At the range I fired all loads from both the 50 and the 100 yard range27 linhas4570 Government (29,000 psi Loads Norma Data) Government (43,500
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In Africa and India the 577/450 Martini Henry, with similar ballistics to the 4570, was widely used on large game well into the th century Hardcast bullets penetrate extremely well at 4570 velocities At close range it wouldn't bother me to tackle a big bear or a Cape buffalo with a standard 405grain 4570 load at just below 1,400As stated above Its for a marlin guide gun in 4570 22 barrel Load is for 405 grain hard cast lead Reloader 7 is my preferred powder Says start 29 grains max 60 grains (upper end data probably isn't for aThe 4570 Government cartridge was developed at the US Army's Springfield Armory for its Springfield Model 1873 45 caliber rifle, commonly known as the Trapdoor Springfield The traditional 4570 load put a 405grain, 458caliber lead bullet over 70 grains of blackpowder, hence the 4570 designation, sometimes rendered 4570/405
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Silencerco promo Spend $799 or more and receive a free lower!The 4570 is one of our oldest centerfire rifle cartridges, a black powder number that successfully made the transition to smokeless powder and has prospered into the 21st Century The traditional 4570 factory load is a 405 grain bullet (BC 214, SD 272) atRemington's 405 factory loads seem like a good starting point I've loaded up to 38 grains of H4198, and that's probably the upper end of what I want to shoot regularly Depending on who's load data you look at, that's either way over danger range for
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Smokeless small rifle powder Designed for small caliber varmint loads, it meters consistently and meets the needs of the most demanding bench rest shooter Great in 4570 and 450 Marlin Small caliber varmint loads Great for 4570 and 450 Marlin Meters consistently Principal Purpose Light rifle Secondary Uses 4570 gov'tUnique 4570 Load Data Hey all, I've (see the other edition's pressure tested data before the 49th edition) 405 grain cast bullets are most relevant 4570 data for 16 Winchester and 15 Marlin only 400gr #2 alloy Unique 137grs start 1154fps cupI just picked up a Marlin 15G in 4570 Bought some dies (Hornady 3 dies), cases, primers, powder, and 405gr RNFP's I was hoping some old timers , wouldn't mind sharing some of there lessons learned with me
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Finding reloading data on generic or lesser known bullets is not an easy feat Most of the time you have to work up your own data A few months ago I found some 405 gr cast bullets for my 4570 and spent a lot of time looking for some reloading data so II used up all of my 5744 and have started using Varget with 405 grain cast and jacketed bullets in the 4570 Varget burns cleaner to me and I like the fact that it pretty much fills the case up completely I have only fired a few sight in groups with the 405 grain jacketed but have loaded some 405 grain cast w/GC and am anxious to see how they performIMR4064 is a very slow powder for the 4570 I doubt you can get enough of it in the case to reach dangerous pressures 55 grains compressed under a 405 grain bullets only generates 26,700 CUP The Marlin 15 4570 has a safe operating pressure of 40,000 CUP S
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45 70 Government Manufacturer Loading Data Pistol;One 4570 load approximates the performance of the original 4570 Govt black powder loading of a 405 grain bullet (307 BC) at 1350 feet per second while the other is a 325gr Hornady LEVERevolution factory load (230 BC) The 3006 Springfield load is a 150 grain Nosler Partition (387 BC) at 3,000 feet per secondOne likes one set of loads and the other a different set The complete original likes the lightest bullet with the lightest load, meaning 405 grain Lee Hollow Base bullet over 55 grains FFG The relined barrel 4570 prefers the heaviest bullet with the heaviest load, meaning 500 grain flat base bullet over 70 grains FFG
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Loading Data Manufacturer Loading Data;I have found that the data for 45/70 varies as much as for about any other chambering I load Max data for IMR 4198 for a 300 grain JHP shot out of a Marlin lever action goes from about 41 to almost 49 grains The IMR data book lists Trapdoor loads that are way over what other data sets give for TrapdoorsI just cast about 50 405 gr hollow base 45/70 bullets from Lee Wow that's a hunk of lead eek Does anyone have any good loads for this bullet since it isn't gas checked I plan to use it in my BC Thanks
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The 4570 was first introduced as the 45 Government for the army's new Model 1873 rifles and carbines Case length was 2100 inches for use with a 405grain roundnose leadalloy bullet of 457inch diameter The initial powder charge was 70 grains of black powderA slight bell to the mouth of 4570 cases (left) prevents shaving the soft heel of the Gould's bullet Trimming cases to the same length placed an exact amount of crimp on the bullets For a deer hunting load, it was a toss up between 480 grains of IMR3031 or 540 grainsHi gang, My son gave me a Older T/C Contender with a 10 45/70 barrel The loads I use in my Sharps (Reloader 7 under a 405 grain lead bullet) are way to hot for this old man about took my hands off I have cast some 240 grain round nose bullets, but can't find any loading data for the lighter bullet
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